Fill people up with disgusting wrong facts about animal products in order to force them to break off their solid addiction with them.
That’s the newly found tactic that some hardcore vegans use to force people out of their animal product addiction. I personally find this method needless and disgusting although I’m not a big fan of products or meat, and i think that there are far better ways to convince people than that.
You see, some few weeks back while i was surfing through the internet to learn more about eggs and their uses; a research for one of my blog posts, i accidentally landed on an article that deeply inspired the birth of this write-up.
The article, obviously written by a vegan, claimed radically that “an egg was nothing but a chicken’s period”, and biological explanations were even presented to back up the claim.
Did you hear that? when a chicken lay eggs, it’s having its period!
That to me sounded so silly and untrue yet there was a biological explanation that perfectly explained why it was so. (at least i thought)
But even with that, i still couldn’t bring myself to believe i had period for breakfast. So i decided to conduct my own research.
After going through boring embryology papers and some avian reproduction write-ups, i was finally able to dig up the truth.
Are eggs chicken periods?
The answer is no, eggs are not chicken periods. Chickens do not have periods. Menstrual cycle is a natural phenomenon that is only evident in females of certain mammals for example humans, chimpanzees, simians, bats and elephant shrew. A chicken is no mammal. No other living species aside mammals of the animal kingdom are known to menstruate.
But of course, simply saying “Menstruation is a phenomenon exclusive to mammals and that chickens do not have periods” can never be convincing enough!
So i developed a simple approach which is based on the principle of common sense, and i shall try to use it to prove that chicken do not have periods.
For this approach, we first need to briefly understand the concept of pregnancy and periods in mammals as well as how a chicken is able to lay eggs. Then, we’ll try to see if there is any relationship between chickens and periods.
Pregnancy and periods in mammals
In some female mammals, when the animal or person reaches sexual maturity–a point in mammalian development referred to as puberty –she begins a developmental process called the menstrual cycle (in humans) or estrus cycle (in animals).
During the beginning of this cycle, matured egg or eggs are released from her ovaries– the part of the reproductive system that produces eggs, and are sent to a waiting room for fertilization (the reason why eggs turn to babies)
If the egg or eggs should come in contact with a sperm during this waiting period, they will get fertilized and sent down to a nursing home which was created while the egg was in transport; to live, get nourished and potentially grow into a baby. Thus the mammal is said to be pregnant.
If on the other hand, the egg or eggs fail to come in contact with a sperm (which means no sexual activity occurred), then the egg is not fertilized and thus cannot turn into a baby. The reproductive system detects this as a failed fertilization attempt and thus eliminates this unfertilized egg along with its nursing home through the reproductive part or by reabsorbing it, so that another cycle can begin. In this case, the mammal is said to have her period.
The entire process (cycle) can take up to a month depending on the mammal. And it is repeated over and over again untill the female mammal attains menopause; a period in her lifetime where she can no longer reproduce naturally.
Now,
Over to avian reproduction.
How does a chicken lay eggs?
Just like in menstruating mammals, the development and release of eggs (yolk) from the ovary in a hen happens recurrently and when they reach sexually maturity. This means that sexual activity doesn’t have to occur before eggs (yolk) are formed and released. (From now we’ll refer to the ovary eggs as yolk)
But unlike in mammals, it dosent happen in defined cycles, thus cannot be referred to as menstrual cycle.
When yolk(s) are created in a chicken’s ovary, they are sent down an oviduct which is like an assembly line where the egg white, chalaza, and shells are waiting to be added to it.
The beginning of the oviduct is the infundibulum; the waiting room where the egg is expected to come in contact with a sperm for fertilization.
After an expiration of the waiting period, the yolk is passed down fertilized or unfertilized to the other parts of the oviduct where it is fully formed into an egg and then expelled through the reproductive part (laying eggs)
Now, notice that with hens, we’re seeing something a little bit different. An unfertilized egg is passed through the same reproductive stages a fertilized egg would. That is not the case in all menstruating mammals. Unfertilized eggs are detected and expelled as waste.
Now from the above explanations, the following can be concluded:
- Pregnancy in mammals has everything to do with fertilized eggs, and nothing to do with unfertilized eggs.
- Menstruation in mammals has everything to do with unfertilized eggs and nothing to do with fertilized eggs.
- A chicken laying an egg has everything to do with both fertilized and unfertilized eggs. So it slots somewhere in the middle right? well, not really. A chicken cannot be having its period and at the same time trying to hatch chicks. Mammals dont do that. So it means that a chicken laying eggs is either having its period or wants to hatch them into chicks.
Why does a chicken lay eggs: To hatch or To menstruate?
Now since the above method isn’t working, we’ll try to see things from a different angle, and this time, we’ll consider what happens after a chicken lay her eggs. This should clearly tell us the reason why she’s doing so.
What happens after a chicken lays a clutch of eggs?
This clearly shows that a chicken has no idea if the eggs it laid were fertilized or unfertilized. It acts solely on instincts and just wants to hatch them.
Here’s the same approach from another perspective
First off, I’ll propose two hypothesis,
- If it can be proven that the reason why a hen lays an egg is the same reason why a female mammal menstruate, then hens have periods and eggs are the expulsions in periods “
- If however the opposite is true; why a hen lays an egg is not the same reason why a female mammal menstruate, then chickens do not have periods and eggs aren’t the expulsions in periods.
If this makes sense and sounds fair to you continue reading, otherwise hit the back button now!
So why do periods occur?
Its simple.
Periods occur because there is a failed fertilization. The body detects an unfertilized egg(s) and thus expel it along with its proposed nursing home because they are no longer needed in the body.
This gives room for a new cycle to begin and a new nursing home to be prepared for the next coming egg.
From here now, it becomes pretty evident the key things that should define why a period occurs: “unwanted” and “unfertilized“.
A female mammal menstruate because she is eliminating tissues and unfertilized egg or eggs that she no longer needs.
So we shall learn the reason why a hen lays an egg and try to find correlation with this definition.
Why does a chicken lay an egg?
A chicken lay eggs to reproduce. To birth cute little baby chicks.
Proof?
Since an unfertilized egg in a chicken is passed through the same reproductive stages as would fertilized eggs, it leads me to conclude this:
“All eggs that a chicken would lay are supposed to be fertilized”, and guess what? a chicken would instinctively sit on its eggs; fertilized or unfertilized with the intention of hatching them into baby chicks. And in the course of this; it can get all broody: refusing to eat and even sacrifice its own health.
This shows that the statement “all eggs laid by a hen are supposed to be fertilized” must be true otherwise, why would a chicken be sitting on its unfertilized eggs in an effort to hatch it?
Now if all chicken eggs are supposed to be fertilized, yet some manage to come out unfertilized, what mechanism is in place to check and eliminate these unfertilized eggs in a chicken’s reproductive system? i’ll leave you to answer that.
Now since we have established that all eggs laid by a chicken are supposed to be fertilized, this goes to prove that the first statement about chickens laying eggs for the primary purpose of hatching them into chicks hold.
Does the two Why’s correlate?
Why does a period occur? To eliminate unfertilized eggs along with its proposed nursing bed because they are no longer useful in the body, so as to prepare the body for the next menstrual cycle.
Why does a chicken lay eggs? To simply hatch them into chicks.
I dont think anyone would need glasses to see that there is absolutely no correlation between these two Why’s.
A chickens natural reason for laying eggs (fertilized or unfertilized) is to potentially hatch them into healthy chicks and not because it is getting rid of unfertilized egg(s) that it no longer needs.
So associating chickens with period is totally off point.
But people all over the web argue….
“That chickens lay unfertilized eggs and humans expel unfertilized eggs during menstruation, so eggs have got to be periods”
But this claim is made without actually putting into consideration why mammals menstruate and hens lay eggs, and the fact that hens also lay fertilized eggs.
But say its agreed, that when a chicken lays a fertilized egg, its reproducing, and when it lays unfertilized eggs, its having its period.
This still leaves one question unanswered.
Why does a chicken attempt to hatch its period?
Honestly, I couldn't have said that better than you did. My parents and I raise chicks and we always have to look their eggs to see if they are good to put them to hatch, otherwise many eggs might be unfertilized and baby chicks won't come from them. I always felt guilty and disgusted by them, only because the vegan community make them look so bad, but my grandmother ate like this, she ate pig fat and only animals raised at the country side, and she lived almost 90 years old. Never been to the doctor, never had a medical problem in her life. People these days think that going vegan is going to make you healthy but it is not. I personally went vegan for 5 years and developed chronic gastritis and very bad cramps, weight fluctuation and lack of energy to do anything. I'm not saying vegan diet is bad, but it is NOT FOR EVERYONE. We all have different genetics, different body, different needs. Some veganholics should stop being so harsh on people that eat meat and start focusing on their life and their choices. We don't live forever, and no one is here to tell us what is good and what is bad, only you decide that.
your statements are full of logical fallacies (logicalfallacies.org). i’m not wasting my time going over all these, just making those who read your dribble aware of it. most importantly:
1. there is no “going vegan” or “vegan diet”, it’s a media term / generalization, as you can “be vegan” in many different ways, and even alone when it comes to “vegan diet”, there are many different types ones – ie. “junk food vegan” AKA “lazy vegan”, “raw vegan” ignoring the fact that all(!) successful civilizations thrive on cooked whole carbs, …
The only healthy diet for humans is a “varied, no-added-oil whole-foods plant-based diet”, which peer reviewed science has proven and is also stated to be suitable “for all ages of human life” by the world’s largest (and non-vegan) society of dietitians.
2. “my granny lived almost 90 years and never went to a doc while having eaten meat and eggs, drank dairy milk, …” – that is what is called a personal anecdote, not proof, because it is not scientifically backed up. for once, she was a single person, vs billions of people who get sick, diseased and live and eventually die in agony, because of the same diet. not to mention that your granny, like so many people back then, grew up “sucking it up” and not whining about every little thing, like people do nowadays; and lastly, like so many people back then (and many even nowadays), she could’ve just had an anxiety to deal with doctors and modern medicine. whereas “blue zones” are those where people live in average above the age of 90, even more than 100 years, and still mow their own lawn, some even go water skiing or do other sports at that age – and they do so following a “varied, no-added-oil whole-foods plant-based diet”.
3. the rest of your “argumentation” is just again, dribble, talking about “we all have different genetics and bodies and needs” – actually every single one of your statements are incorrect: all humans have the same general genetics with some variations that define hair, eye, skin (pigmentation) colors, height, various facial and some other bodily details… and that’s about it; it doesn’t mean some are carnivores that are required to consume corpse pieces – we are not (wild) cats or bears. It’s your social programming (media, hear-say) and the human instinct (developed over millions of years before humans developed advanced agriculture and logistics) that makes you believe you have to consume animal corpses and animal secretions.
4. You call “vegans” (or those who are labeled as such, but just follow a “varied, no-added-oil whole-foods plant-based diet”) “veganholics” because they feel cognitive pain being confronted by ignorance and illogical argumentation AKA “outright idiocy”, which would be the same to anyone if someone would use the same type of argumentation for “sexual exploitation / rape, torture and murder of humans is ok” because of “you’re inferior to me” or “it’s approved by the religion i follow / my religion” or “it’s done to animals, so if it’s ok to do that to them, it’s ok to do that to humans”, or any number of other arbitrary pseudo-logical reasoning.
5. that even aside, one could care less about your flawed reasoning and how you make yourself diseased and reduce your life expectancy – if that’s what you aim and goal. even ignoring the ethical impact to those billions of animals that have to suffer every year because of that mindset. what however can not be ignored is the impact this mindset has on ALL OF HUMANITY, which is the destruction of the planet’s various ecosystem, and thus moving toward extinction of humanity (unless successful colonization of mars or other way of extended living in space will happen before then, which is unlikely to happen for technical and growth of world population and other reasons).
6. “we don’t live forever” – this is one of the most last-ditch effort of “logical argumentation” of anti-vegans… ok, so just k!ll yourself then now, why prolong it?
7. “no one is here to tell us what is good and what is bad, only you decide that” – well, obviously most people, such as yourself, aren’t (yet) intelligent enough to make that decision, so that’s why there have to be those who do tell you what to do / not to do.
“The only healthy diet for humans is a “varied, no-added-oil whole-foods plant-based diet”, which peer reviewed science has proven and is also stated to be suitable “for all ages of human life” by the world’s largest (and non-vegan) society of dietitians.”
There are no long lived populations or cultures that have ever consumed this paid for reviewed science. Anyone can write a science report but you can’t fool real centenarians that zero have consumed a no oil plant based diet. Give me the real names of just 5 people out of the 500,000 centenarians living in the world.
If God had wanted us to be Vegan he would have made sure a Vegan diet give us ALL our necessary vitamins, minerals and essential fats and oils. Unfortunately Vegans must take manmade pills as supplements to their diet! Hardly a compelling argument for their diet. I do however sympathize with the view that killing other creatures as food is abhorrent! I would much prefer not too so I limit my intake of meat and fish.
By your logic, consuming meat from farm animals is unnatural, since they ALL also recieve supplements.
All non-ruminant animals recieve B12 supplement such as pigs and chickens because they are unable to produce their own, because only ruminant animals(cows, goats, sheep) are able to make their own B12.
Ruminant animals receive cobalt supplement to be able to produce B12 on their own.
On top of other supplements.
You speak about eating fish, yet farmed fish are the biggest consumer of omega-3 fish oil on the planet. You do know how fish get their omega-3 right? In nature they get them from ALGAE! and since farmed fish aren’t fed algae, they need to be substituted with fish oil.
You know what this means right?
All nutrients come from plants originally.
Vegans just take their nutrients directly from plants or from good quality supplements.
You get your nutrients second hand through filtered througg animals that get cheapest quality supplements. Bon apetit.
It takes a minute to google.
Your are trying to convince yourself that egg is not period of hen but your explanation itself proving it that egg is hens period.
Its natural that all living organisms who can conceive they have period in different way .
100% it’s the same explanation for both sides, you can’t even argue against yourself 🤦🏼♀️
I suppose maybe the unfertilized egg is closer to an amniotic sac, fluid and placenta, if it was expelled later without a fertilised embryo/baby in it.
I would still eat chicken eggs knowing this though. .
Good attempt for sure, but ultimately it’s a fail. Of course we realize it’s not the “exact same” process, but for all intents and purposes, “menstruation” is the best human equivalent to this process in chickens. Also may I point out the premise, implying that “menstruation” is disgusting, is problematic. Women’s bodies are not disgusting. Nature is not disgusting. It is what it is and without it, none of us would be.
Your claims are based on what data? If God wanted us to eat animals, He would have grown them from soil, ready to eat, with seeds to survive digestion and replant into the ground, covered in fertilizer (aka the human digestive and bowel process). I have been a plant based eater most of my 57 years; I do not supplement, other than B-12 (wish is also injected into food-farm animals) and my doctor told me I have the insides of a teenager. I am NEVER sick, full of energy, physically fit, and don’t get headaches or experience nausea…ever. Where did I go wrong????
I’ve eaten animals since i had teeth. so for most of my 58 years. i do no supplement, other than miller. my doctor say im as healthy as a pre teen. I have never been sick a day in my life. EVER. I never had chickenpox, flu, nothing. I have never sneezed in my life. Also what is a head ache. I think you went wrong by going to a doctor that knows that the insides of a teenager look/feel like.
See how stupid this all sounds. Thats how you came off.
You can get all the needed vitamins and minerals from plants, many of the vitamins and minerals vegans are low in so are meat eaters and it’s caused by how the earth our food is grown in has been ruined by pesticides and chemicals.
It does give us everything we need. Just need to educate where to access vitamins and minerals first hand instead of second hand from animal organs.
Hey vegan here. I don't take man-made pills. I'm Perfectly healthy are all those things you listed i DO get on a vegan diet. You really shouldn't bash others just to prove whatever point you were "trying" to make. And God gave us eden a "garden" full of food and animals to "share" it with. Lol animals were not consumed. The only issue I had with this article was that eggs are not for us to eat. And chickens don't suffer by siting on them my friend had chick's and if they didn't hatch then they (the hen) would eat the eggs. I also have a vegan friend that has a chick and her hen will eat her own eggs when she lays them. She doesn't suffer because it's not fertilized. Again humans had to evolve to eat meat. I'm really curious as to what you think vegans can't get on a vegan diet? What vitamins mineral and fats (oils are plant based lol) can we not get exactly. I've done my research and can't find anything. So…. I'm vegan but my husband and my 2 kids aren't. I don't force my ethics on anyone. I agree with the first comment (not the rude tone tho) . No it's not a period but you can use it as an example as long as you aren't flat out saying it's the same cause its not. I personally think it's gross after finding out how they are made and what not. Same reason I'll never eat honey again or dairy.
Spot on
Your teeth are not made for a carnivore diet, your canines are to break fruit and nuts, just like monkeys. Your teeth are frugivorous.
Thank you!!1
Regardless, eggs come out of a chicken’s reproductive part. I suppose you think that’s much better 😂
It isn’t clear logically why you jumped over to animal behaviors and intent. You were doing well by discussing biology but you stopped short of finishing. Follow exactly what products are made, and what gets packed into the egg. Follow what proteins and materials are expelled in mammalian menstruation. I agree, that farmed-raised chickens don’t have cycles, but I think you are conflating menstruation and menstruation cycles. Not all women have regular cycles either. I think the comparison is simply the build-up of products for preparation to support an offspring and the subsequent release of the contents out of the body. In humans, it is due to failure. In chickens, as you pointed out, it doesn’t even have to be fertilized. However, yes, the end result is that both contents are remnants of a failed pregnancy. The biology is complex, but if human eggs were much larger, packed with the materials it needs to grow, and was surrounded by a calcified shell, the distinctions would be nill. Human eggs are just smaller and their initial nutrition comes from the uterus and not from materials contained within a shell. In some ways, you could view chicken eggs as small mobile shelled uteri.
Thank you for clearly describing how this process is even more disgusting than that proposed by vegans who correlate eggs to periods.
The wild ancestor of the domesticated chicken only lays about one egg a month. So that’s one occasion when the chicken expects (rightly or not) to give birth – “getting broody, might not eat and put its health on the line” as you state.
The modern domesticated chicken effectively spends most of her life in this state of broodiness, constantly producing eggs and expending energy, thinking she is about to become a mother. Your description of this permanent state of motherhood, inflicted by humans, is truly chilling and inhumane.
You make total sense but it’s a pretty pedantic response to what is intended simply as a humorous thought while serving someone eggs. You could simplify and say “a period is the excretion of an unfertilised egg” ergo an egg is a chicken period. I’m not sure the universe gains much by thinking of the ways that statement is wrong, even if it’s completely logical.
People arguing about are we supposed to eat animals lol easily put, no. God gave us herbs and seed which bear fruit, thall shalt not eateth of the beasts of the earth. Something like that anyway but you can just compare your human body to that of a carnivore and see how much difference there is 🙂 But check how similar our bodies are to a herbivore
Intestines too long (Like a herbivore)
Stomach acid to weak (Like a herbivore)
Teeth not sharp enough (Like a herbivore)
No claws (Like a herbivore)
We’ve got nothing that says “Catch that animal and eat it”
We go the zoo and say “Awww look how cute that goat is” instead of “Fuck me I’m hungry just looking at that thing”
Meat stays in our system for up to a month because our body cannot handle it
And the fact that we have to cook meat, carnivores will drink the blood for nutrients, we cook it away..
We should just be able to pick up a chicken off the ground and bite into it
And I’m not a vegan, just thought I’d give my 2 cents
All Nutrients that come from animals are from is true, However, that doesn’t mean that we can always convert the nutritional value We are also made of meat meaning if we put meat into our body then our body breaks it down into a useable substance for our body. its like heating up a metal and putting in more metal to shape it into what you need. I really like the comment:
“Vegans just take their nutrients directly from plants or from good quality supplements.”
Good quality supplements? Uh hello? Your talking to the same people that make those “cheapest quality supplements” you where talking about. You’re no better then those animals! But not only do you think that the animals get the cheapest supplements you don’t take the time to realize that if we eat all the plants what’s gonna happen? what the animals that you care for so deeply gonna eat?
In the end just have a balanced meal!
Bon Appetit, My friend
Stupid arguments upon stupid arguments.
1: “We’re made of meat, so we must eat meat to sustain ourselves. Nutrients from meat and plants are different.” Then how do herbivores sustain themselves? The most healthy regions of the world are Blue Zones that eat a primarily plant-based diet with very little meat involved. Considering that veganism is possible and people have healthy lives with it, it’s clear we don’t need to eat meat at all and there are no “special” nutrients in meat needed for us to survive.
2. “We’re no better than animals.” Well, yea, that’s what the ethical philosophy of veganism is all about. You’re no different from an animal, and it’s us forgetting our origins that has lead us to destroy our planet and consume animal flesh just because we can. It’s not a necessity anymore, you do it because you like it.
3. “If we all eat plants then the animals won’t have anything to eat.” How far up your ass did you go to pull this one out? The majority of plant food is created so you can have your precious dead animal flesh on your table. There will be more than enough plant food if we eliminate the majority of our animal consumption, and there would even be enough to end world hunger. No animal is going to starve. But they will from our destruction of the planet for, yet again, your precious dead flesh. Meat is the top #1 cause of our current climate crisis and you actively contribute to it by consuming animals. Congrats.
4: “Eating animal products is a balanced meal.” How? The majority of animal consumers have on average more vitamin deficiency compared to vegans. We’re operating under the assumption that a balanced meal is one that gives all your necessary nutrients, right? You don’t need animal products for that. You can get all your nutrients from plants, you could’ve even gotten b12 if our farming system didn’t destroy the microbiome of the soil.
Thus, what does your argument really hinge upon? You like the taste of rotting carcasses, don’t really care about the welfare of anyone other than yourself, and you’re too lazy and selfish to change. Bon appetit, my friend.
So, using your own article, are you saying that you’re eating unborn fetuses? Because that’s basically what unfertilized eggs are. That sounds even worse than eating a ‘chicken period,’ I really can’t fathom how you find that appetizing. I guess you can enjoy eating your delectable unborn children.
the “god argumentation”… wow, is this the middle-ages???
Btw “oils” from plants is processed fats with almost all nutritional value removed, thus essentially pointless.